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	<title>Comments on: Episode 106: Your Sexual Orientation &#8211; How Did It Develop?</title>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-7487</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to answer a previous question... male penguins have been known to mate homosexually to the point of foregoing reproduction opportunities. Two male penguins will sometimes pair up for years, build a nest together, and nurture a stone instead of an egg. Black swans are also known for homosexual behavior, but they tend to find ways to reproduce despite. Two males will mate, and sometimes either form a temporary three-way with a female (only to drive her away once she lays her eggs), or steal the nest of a female who has just laid her eggs. They will then raise the chicks as their own. 

There are a number of other animals, including dolphins, insects, bonobos, giraffes, elephants, etc, that are known to engage in homosexual behavior- though I am not sure to what extent they will forego opportunities for heterosexual reproduction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to answer a previous question&#8230; male penguins have been known to mate homosexually to the point of foregoing reproduction opportunities. Two male penguins will sometimes pair up for years, build a nest together, and nurture a stone instead of an egg. Black swans are also known for homosexual behavior, but they tend to find ways to reproduce despite. Two males will mate, and sometimes either form a temporary three-way with a female (only to drive her away once she lays her eggs), or steal the nest of a female who has just laid her eggs. They will then raise the chicks as their own. </p>
<p>There are a number of other animals, including dolphins, insects, bonobos, giraffes, elephants, etc, that are known to engage in homosexual behavior- though I am not sure to what extent they will forego opportunities for heterosexual reproduction.</p>
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		<title>By: tony bonn</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-7170</link>
		<dc:creator>tony bonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gender identity disorder provides a very compelling explanation of the etiology of homosexuality....i know that many gay men state that they did not have the experiences the theory requires to acquire homosexual orientation, but the self is very good at deception. i believe that this theory should be more extensively explored to contribute to a fuller understanding of sexual orientation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gender identity disorder provides a very compelling explanation of the etiology of homosexuality&#8230;.i know that many gay men state that they did not have the experiences the theory requires to acquire homosexual orientation, but the self is very good at deception. i believe that this theory should be more extensively explored to contribute to a fuller understanding of sexual orientation.</p>
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		<title>By: daab</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-3923</link>
		<dc:creator>daab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 07:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do believe that it is something biological,  something related to brain; maybe hypothalamus.  I don&#039;t believe society and nurture make a person homosexual.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do believe that it is something biological,  something related to brain; maybe hypothalamus.  I don&#8217;t believe society and nurture make a person homosexual.  <img src='http://www.thepsychfiles.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Law &#38; Mind Blogs: Part 9 &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-3493</link>
		<dc:creator>Law &#38; Mind Blogs: Part 9 &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you know if your therapist is good?; how to memorize the parts of the brain) to the controversial (the development of sexual orientation) to the just plain interesting (the psychology of tipping). And as far as appearances go, the site [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you know if your therapist is good?; how to memorize the parts of the brain) to the controversial (the development of sexual orientation) to the just plain interesting (the psychology of tipping). And as far as appearances go, the site [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mindblogs: Part 9 &#171; Law &#38; Mind Sciences</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-3430</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindblogs: Part 9 &#171; Law &#38; Mind Sciences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you know if your therapist is good?; how to memorize the parts of the brain) to the controversial (the development of sexual orientation) to the just plain interesting (the psychology of tipping). And as far as appearances go, the site [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wei tong Wang</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>Wei tong Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael
Happy to listen to your research.
I think sexual orientation is also influenced by the living environment he or she lives in. I don&#039;t think gene makes any influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael<br />
Happy to listen to your research.<br />
I think sexual orientation is also influenced by the living environment he or she lives in. I don&#8217;t think gene makes any influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheldon: guess I didn&#039;t make myself clear in the episode when I said &quot;I&#039;m not sure what it means&quot;.  Here&#039;s what I was thinking: it could mean what you mention above - prenatal hormone exposure influencing sexual orientation, but why would hormones affect finger length?  What&#039;s the connection to fingers?  Why not toes?  I was wondering whether this finger-length finding is spurious - I think only one study has found this.  So it&#039;s interesting, but again - why would hormones affect the length of only one finger?  What&#039;s the theory to explain this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheldon: guess I didn&#8217;t make myself clear in the episode when I said &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure what it means&#8221;.  Here&#8217;s what I was thinking: it could mean what you mention above &#8211; prenatal hormone exposure influencing sexual orientation, but why would hormones affect finger length?  What&#8217;s the connection to fingers?  Why not toes?  I was wondering whether this finger-length finding is spurious &#8211; I think only one study has found this.  So it&#8217;s interesting, but again &#8211; why would hormones affect the length of only one finger?  What&#8217;s the theory to explain this?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon W. Helms</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon W. Helms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I just listened a bit further, and I&#039;m boiling! You just talked about one of the most important findings (finger length), and then completely disregarded it, saying, &quot;I&#039;m not sure what it means,&quot; and &quot;I just think we need to be careful...&quot;  What?!  Do you say that when you discuss other topics and their findings? I doubt it.

What it MEANS (when you look at all of these things in the aggregate) is that prenatal hormone exposure is strongly involved in sexual orientation. Left-handedness, finger length, INAH-3 size, hair swirl patterns, The Older Brother Effect, and just about every other important finding regarding sexual orientation can be directly connected (in a predictable pattern) to the amount of masculinizing hormone the developing child is exposed to prenatally.  Like millions of other topics in the sciences, there&#039;s a relatively small effect size (probably due to other variations in biology that leave some of us more sensitive to this hormone exposure than others), but the patterns are undeniable.  I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re soft pedaling so much on this topic, but it&#039;s uncharacteristic considering the other podcasts I&#039;ve listened to on your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I just listened a bit further, and I&#8217;m boiling! You just talked about one of the most important findings (finger length), and then completely disregarded it, saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure what it means,&#8221; and &#8220;I just think we need to be careful&#8230;&#8221;  What?!  Do you say that when you discuss other topics and their findings? I doubt it.</p>
<p>What it MEANS (when you look at all of these things in the aggregate) is that prenatal hormone exposure is strongly involved in sexual orientation. Left-handedness, finger length, INAH-3 size, hair swirl patterns, The Older Brother Effect, and just about every other important finding regarding sexual orientation can be directly connected (in a predictable pattern) to the amount of masculinizing hormone the developing child is exposed to prenatally.  Like millions of other topics in the sciences, there&#8217;s a relatively small effect size (probably due to other variations in biology that leave some of us more sensitive to this hormone exposure than others), but the patterns are undeniable.  I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;re soft pedaling so much on this topic, but it&#8217;s uncharacteristic considering the other podcasts I&#8217;ve listened to on your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon W. Helms</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheldon W. Helms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeVay&#039;s critics have been addressed over and over, and most of what was thrown at him was entirely baseless and driven by veiled (and not so veiled) homophobia. I really wish you&#039;d have gone into more detail there, rather than simply saying that people criticized it. That sends the message that people should disregard his research, when truthfully it was very well carried out, and he was extremely careful not to overstate his findings. (He also got death threats after its publication, by the way.)

Your comment about his &quot;subjects&quot; might have been in regard to the fact that many of the brains of gay males had been from people who died from complications due to AIDS. That is true, and was trumpeted as a major flaw since the HIV virus can affect brain structure (although it&#039;s never been shown to affect the hypothalamus in that way); however, LeVay also compare those measurements to  the brains of the heterosexuals in the study who also had died from AIDS, and, although that left him with an extremely small sample size, he found the SAME results. Critics never seem to mention that.

The saddest part of this is that this is such a hot-button topic (after all, gays are the last group that religious groups can openly denigrate and support disenfranchisement of) that researchers in psychology and related sciences are reluctant to get involved. Even those who do often show themselves to be affected by homophobia.  Michael Bailey, for instance, recently confirmed for me via email that he would support a couple&#039;s decision to abort a child known to be homosexual if such a screening test ever became available. This is a horrific statement, and something I think most people would be shocked by if we were discussing something like eye color, handedness, or another equally non-controversial aspect of human variation. I lost a hero in that conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeVay&#8217;s critics have been addressed over and over, and most of what was thrown at him was entirely baseless and driven by veiled (and not so veiled) homophobia. I really wish you&#8217;d have gone into more detail there, rather than simply saying that people criticized it. That sends the message that people should disregard his research, when truthfully it was very well carried out, and he was extremely careful not to overstate his findings. (He also got death threats after its publication, by the way.)</p>
<p>Your comment about his &#8220;subjects&#8221; might have been in regard to the fact that many of the brains of gay males had been from people who died from complications due to AIDS. That is true, and was trumpeted as a major flaw since the HIV virus can affect brain structure (although it&#8217;s never been shown to affect the hypothalamus in that way); however, LeVay also compare those measurements to  the brains of the heterosexuals in the study who also had died from AIDS, and, although that left him with an extremely small sample size, he found the SAME results. Critics never seem to mention that.</p>
<p>The saddest part of this is that this is such a hot-button topic (after all, gays are the last group that religious groups can openly denigrate and support disenfranchisement of) that researchers in psychology and related sciences are reluctant to get involved. Even those who do often show themselves to be affected by homophobia.  Michael Bailey, for instance, recently confirmed for me via email that he would support a couple&#8217;s decision to abort a child known to be homosexual if such a screening test ever became available. This is a horrific statement, and something I think most people would be shocked by if we were discussing something like eye color, handedness, or another equally non-controversial aspect of human variation. I lost a hero in that conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.thepsychfiles.com/2009/10/episode-106-your-sexual-orientation-how-did-it-develop/comment-page-1/#comment-1866</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

Again, you&#039;ve done a wonderful job of addressing a potentially controversial topic (not that I consider it as such, personally). I really appreciate you addressing some of these topics that rest a little closer to home for most of us. I think it&#039;s really important that research is done on not only what&#039;s not controversial but also on stuff that can be considered taboo by some.

Out of interest, will you be considering an episode on gender and libido in the future? Although potentially controversial again, I think a lot of people might get a lot of benefit from it.

As an aside, an entertaining book on sex research I found was called &quot;Bonk&quot; by Mary Roach (though I think the title might be different in America, but I can&#039;t remember what it was called). Very interesting and very amusingly written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Again, you&#8217;ve done a wonderful job of addressing a potentially controversial topic (not that I consider it as such, personally). I really appreciate you addressing some of these topics that rest a little closer to home for most of us. I think it&#8217;s really important that research is done on not only what&#8217;s not controversial but also on stuff that can be considered taboo by some.</p>
<p>Out of interest, will you be considering an episode on gender and libido in the future? Although potentially controversial again, I think a lot of people might get a lot of benefit from it.</p>
<p>As an aside, an entertaining book on sex research I found was called &#8220;Bonk&#8221; by Mary Roach (though I think the title might be different in America, but I can&#8217;t remember what it was called). Very interesting and very amusingly written.</p>
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