Ep 185: The Dynamics of Therapy: Transference and Counter Transference: An Interview with Kerry Malawista


Transference and countertransference are two key concepts in psychoanalysis and they are fascinating. If you’re interested in the therapy side of psychology – particularly psychoanalysis – this is the episode for you. Kerry Malawista, psychoanalyst and author, along with Anne Adeleman and Catherine Anderson, talks about their new book, “Wearing My Tutu To Analysis“. In this episode we focus on two of the stories in the book, which focus on transference and countertransference. [Read more…]

Episode 143: EMDR – An Interview with Founder Francine Shapiro


Curious about EMDR? Listen to this interview with the founder of Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing, Dr. Francine Shapiro talk about EMDR and how it is different from Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). This is an intriguing and unique type of therapy and if you want to learn more about it you’ve come to the right place.

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Episode 81: Talking (and not Talking) in Psychotherapy – Part 2


Are you interested in play therapy or therapy with children and adolescents? Do you have a child in therapy and you wonder how playing with toys is going to possibly help you child? Learn more about therapy with children and adolescents in this episode of The Psych Files. In part 2 I interview Dr. Martha Straus – experienced therapist and author of No Talk Therapy and the book Adolescent Girls in Crisis. In this part of the interview Dr. Straus talks specifically about No Talk therapy and how she explains her work to the parents of her clients. Come have a listen to an experienced therapist talk about her work.

Episode 80: Talking (and not Talking) in Psychotherapy – Part 1


Are you interested in play therapy or therapy with children and adolescents? Do you have a child in therapy and you wonder how playing with toys is going to possibly help you child? Learn more about therapy with children and adolescents in this episode of The Psych Files. In part 1 I interview Dr. Martha Straus – experienced therapist and author of No Talk Therapy and the book Adolescent Girls in Crisis. If you’ve ever wondered what psychotherapists do and say in therapy then this episode is for you. We also touch upon evidence based treatment, goals in therapy, and parent expectations of therapists. Come have a listen to an experienced therapist talk about her work.

Episode 30: Equine Assisted Therapy


If you think that therapy with horses is just another form of “pet therapy” well…so did I…at first. But Equine Assisted therapy is something different. If you love horses and are interested in how they can be used therapeutically, then you’ll definitely want to hear this episode. Learn more about this unique form of therapy from Nancy King, director of A Horse Connection. Recorded outside on a beautiful summer day.

Equine Assisted Therapy

Resources for this Episode

Episode 27: From Insane Asylum to Psychiatric Center: A Brief History


Join me for an interview with Dr. Roger Christenfeld, Research Director of the Hudson River Psychiatric Center. Dr. Christenfeld and I talk about how psychiatric patients were treated in the heyday of this incredible center. I think you’d be surprised at some of the things he has to say. Below you’ll find both an audio version and a video version of this same interview.


More on the history of asylums: an interview with Historian Jennifer Bazar on what life was like in asylums during the 1800s

Episode 19: Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing: an interview with Jamie O’Neil


Want to learn more about EMDR? Listen to this interview with Jamie O’Neil who explains how EMDR works. Turns out it’s about a lot more than just eye movements. Learn more about “Bilateral Stimulation” and the rest of what goes into EMDR.
My Interviewee for this episode is Jamie O’Neil, LCSW-R, who can be contacted at 845-876-7600.

Resources on EMDR:

  • The EMDR Institute
  • The EMDR International Association
  • Interesting Article on EMDR research here on the Mind Hacks site.

Related Episodes

  • To listen to a psychologist with a critical point of view on EMDR, check out episode 41


Episode 12: Is Your Therapist Any Good? How Do You Know?


What is the frame in psychotherapy and why do we need to keep it from breaking? This week I discuss the importance of boundaries and guidelines set forth by Robert Langs, MD regarding how to know when your relationship with your therapist is healthy – and when it is not. I also talk about the concepts of transference and countertransference in psychotherapy.

Notes From This Episode

Download a Word doc on Lang’s guidelines for psychotherapy.

Go to the webpage for the European Society for Communicative Psychotherapy where you can learn more about Robert Langs’ work.

Here’s a good site, called Good Therapy for locating a psychotherapist

Guidelines for Psychotherapy

From the book: Rating your Psychotherapist
Author: Robert Langs, M.D.

1) Ideal conditions which constitute the "frame"

  • A single, set fee
  • A single, set location
  • A set time and length of the session
  • A soundproof office (or noise machine)
  • Relative anonymity of the therapist (no self-revelations or opinions, focus should be on the patient)
  • Total privacy
  • Total confidentiality

2) Referrals


  • Local Medical Society, Mental Health Association, or other professional organization
  • Recommendation from a friend who is a psychiatrist, psychologist or social worker or other mental health worker
  • Employer, principal or lawyer recommendation


  • A co-worker, social acquaintance, or relative sees or used to see him/her and says he/she is good
  • Therapist is the wife/husband of one of your friends
  • Therapist is a friend or used to be a friend of the family

3) Your first interaction with the therapist


  • He/she was concerned and listening
  • Said nothing of a personal nature
  • No physical contact except for an initial or concluding handshake
  • At the end of the meeting the therapist set the ground rules for treatment


  • He was very physically demonstrative, that is, hugging or holding your hand
  • He/she came on to you sexually
  • Was unprofessional and self revealing
  • Talked more than you did

4) The fee and Schedule:


  • Set a single, reasonable, fixed fee
  • Won't let you build up debt
  • Won't accept gifts or other forms of compensation beyond the fee
  • Arranged a definite schedule for therapy (day, time, length and frequency) and these have not changed throughout the course of therapy (except when necessitated by work or life circumstances)


  • He/she is willing to falsify a fee to an insurance company
  • He/she negotiated a barter arrangement
  • There are repeated changes in time/location/day, length of sessions
  • Sessions start late because other patients stayed late
  • He/she lets you stay longer than the scheduled time

5) Treatment:


  • Treatment types vary a great deal (cognitive, behavioral, humanistic, etc.): but in all cases: Does it make sense to you?
  • Does it feel okay?
  • It should always remain a professional relationship
  • In general, the therapist should let you do most of the talking


  • Therapist keeps directing you to talk about particular issues (your marriage, your sex life, etc.
  • He/she frequently tells you what they think you should be doing with your life ("If I were you I would…)
  • The therapist is hostile, makes you feel guilty, or is seductive

6) Termination:


  • You felt like a sense of new insight and understanding had been reached and your symptoms had largely (though probably not completely) been resolved
  • It seemed like the right time to end therapy
  • A specific date was set and adhered to (didn't happen in an unplanned way)
  • All the ground rules mentioned previously had been maintained up until the end
  • Once therapy was over you had no further contact with the therapist


  • You decide impulsively to stop therapy and your therapist accepts this without encouraging you to consider your decision
  • Therapist badgers you to continue despite your feeling that it is time to stop. He/she insists that you still need help

Resources for this episode

Read Robert Lang’s book on psychotherapy on Amazon.

Episode #5: In Defense of Defense Mechanisms


Too many people dismiss Freud because he had a few controversial ideas, but I try to point out that many of Freud’s ideas were very influential and can, with a little attention, be seen in everyday life.

Click the image below to see a concept map of the defense mechanisms discussed in this episode.

Defense Mechanisms

Here are my show notes for this episode:

  • NOTE: I want to thank listener Allen Esterson for helping to improve the accuracy of the information in this podcast. While I retain here a typical definition and example for repression (holocaust victims), Dr. Esterson points out that Freud’s concept of repression is highly controversial and that there is good argument and evidence to suggest that we do not repress memories and that victims of the holocaust have not repressed their memories of their experiences. For more in-depth information on this topic, he recommends reading Erdelyi, M.H. (2006). The Unified Theory of Repression, Behavioral and Brain Sciences, 29, 499-551, and the work of Richard McNally.

  • Repression. Blocking a threatening idea, memory, or emotion from consciousness.
  • Reaction formation. Transforming anxiety-producing thoughts into their opposites in consciousness.
  • Regression. Returning to more primitive levels of behavior in defense against anxiety or frustration.
  • Rationalization. Justifying one’s behavior or failures by plausible or socially acceptable reasons in place of the real reason.
  • Denial. Refusing to admit that something unpleasant is happening, or that a taboo emotion in being experienced. Note: Denial distorts the way you perceive events (“I am NOT angry at you”) repression blocks or distorts your memory of events (the so-called “repressed memories” in which a person was molested but up to this point had no memory of it).
  • Displacement. Discharging pent-up feelings, usually of hostility, on objects less dangerous than those that initially aroused the emotion.

Examples of Rationalization (taken from an Instructor’s Manual for Intro Psych, but I forget which book):

  • After Carla rejected him, Phil told his friends that he didn’t think she was very attractive and interesting, and that he really wasn’t all that crazy about her.
  • Jack told his parents that he got a C in his psychology course because all the As and Bs went to students who cheated on tests and had professionals write their papers.
  • Bill said that the reason he flunked out of college was because of the poor quality of teaching there.

Examples of Reaction Formation:

  • George feels that his younger son, Gary, is unattractive and not very smart. He accuses his wife of picking on Gary and favoring their other son.
  • Lucy dresses in provocative clothes and uses suggestive language although she fears that she is unattractive and she really isn’t very interested in sex.
  • John has a lot of unconscious hostility toward his father but he acts very affectionate toward him and tells other people that he and his father have a wonderful relationship.

Examples of Regression:

  • After Sue Ann’s baby brother was born, she began to talk baby-talk and suck her thumb.
  • Mary was homesick and anxious when she moved into the dormitory and started her first year in college. She began to sleep with her favorite teddy bear again.

Examples of Denial

  • Sixteen-year-old Tom had started using drugs, and the changes in his behavior made it pretty obvious, but Tom’s parents didn’t believe the school principal when she called to talk with them about the problem.
  • Bill, who is 50 years old wears clothes that you would see on teenagers and drives a sports car. He can’t see that he doesn’t look 30, or even 40, anymore.
  • Shakespeare: “The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.”
  • From Academic Earth: This lecture introduces students to the theories of Sigmund Freud, including a brief biographical description and his contributions to the field of psychology. The limitations of his theories of psychoanalysis are covered in detail, as well as the ways in which his conception of the unconscious mind still operate in mainstream psychology today.